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Brian
06-11-2007, 06:20 PM
China Begins Blocking Flickr (http://www.thetechlounge.com/news/11641/China+Begins+Blocking+Flickr/)

"The blocking, which began Thursday, is keeping Internet users across a large part of China from viewing photos on Flickr, home to millions of snapshots of everything from birthday parties to beach vacations to nudes.

The Web site also hosts a smattering of images that may be frowned upon by Chinese censors, including student protesters in Tiananmen Square in 1989, which includes the famous photo of a man blocking the progress of Chinese army tanks, and bodies of students who were killed in the streets as part of a government crackdown.

On the one hand, it doesn't seem part of the Chinese culture to censor and limit--and I'm working off my admittedly limited knowledge of China, and will grant that the most insightful reading I've taken to heart, outside of frequent Atlantic Monthly articles, has been <em><a target="_blank" href="http://www.amazon.com/Diamond-Age-Illustrated-Primer-Spectra/dp/0553380966/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-5824919-3590007?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1181548907&sr=8-1">The Diamond Age</a></em>--self-awareness, knowledge, and history are all fundamental in and outside of the Northern Capital. So why does it happen? Shame?

It's easy to rail against that kind of censorship in the West, but on the other hand, it's illegal to display and sometimes even own Nazi relics in many places, let alone endorse any of it. Is that different?"

Read full story here (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/06/09/BUG9VQC8QE1.DTL)

ritingon
06-11-2007, 06:20 PM
Neat. Throw out an argument based on //atlantic// coverage -- which I love -- and back it in fiction. Then add a straw man.

Sigh. China will sensor; it's just part of the deal. Power isn't entirely culturally independent, you know. And in this case, power has naturally chosen to perpetuate itself.

So here's a thought experiment: what cultural context actually gets beyond this little dilemma?

Max Slowik
06-13-2007, 05:42 PM
Wait, what dilemma? The dilemma of OKing censorship?

And, backing up a step: does blocking flickr, google, et al perpetuate power in China (if so how)? This is a place where bureaucracy backs all the way into Heaven. I can't really imagine needing any serious excuse for power to self-perpetuate.

Is this just an attempt by the Chinese gov't to always keep a spoon in the pot of the Internet+'net economy?

Actually, that makes the most sense.